Advisor
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Register: 11/14/01
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Posted: 11/22/06, 5:00 AM
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Lets face it all magelo is, is a link you put in your sig on msg boards.
For people who use Magelo that way, Premium will not add any benefit. The only reason those people would take Premium is because they wish to support the Magelo project anyway. Premium is intended for people who wish to make more use of their Magelo, who wish to "exploit" the various options offered under the Premium features.
Also there have been SEVERAL constructive options offerred by us but you and yours apparently have refused to consider them in favor of getting more money.
Actually I have no influence whatsoever on the monetary state of Magelo. I'm an Advisor, a volunteer (i.e. also unpaid), without any direct say in what goes on behind the scenes. You can rest assured though, that behind the scenes we've also offered some suggestions to the Admins.
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Registered User
Nbr post: 13
Register: 3/12/02
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Posted: 11/22/06, 11:37 AM
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For people who use Magelo that way, Premium will not add any benefit. The only reason those people would take Premium is because they wish to support the Magelo project anyway. Premium is intended for people who wish to make more use of their Magelo, who wish to "exploit" the various options offered under the Premium features.
Ok, lets not get overly excited here. Magelo is a link. Yes you can at a glance see shielding %, or Avoidance, etc. But players who understand those things know their numbers already. It's biggest feature is that guildleaders/raidleaders can look at members gear and help them with upgrades. And that is downgraded by the fact that they only want 1 person using a magelo account, offering a guild feature would have made a whole lot of sense. It's further downgraded by the fact that the keys section is a direct cut and paste from eqplayers. The old version made much more sense. This time while updating my flags I wasn't sure which pop flags to select. Instead of blantly ripping off Eqplayers format which sucks ass they should have left the old version and added things like being able to track your spell mission arcs.
Don't get high an mighty here, magelo is a link. Granted they've added new toys like being able to look up gear but they aren't all that handy. Looking up gear on allah makes more sense because not only do you see the gear you see what drops it and where it spawns. Most cases also provide you with some sort of info regarding what killing the mob would take. Which helps more? Knowing that there is upgrades out there (duh) or knowing where they upgrades are and what you need to do to get them? Not to mention allah, which I understand is now owned by yantis of all people, is cheaper then magelo and provides a hell of a lot more information. If I need upgrade ideas I go to Allah and use their search engine and determine them.
It's a link. Deal with the reality.There is no "making more use of magelo," it's a link~ And a link isn't worth 25.00. Tell them to buy allah and illia's (clean them up a bit) and package the whole thing for 25.00 and you have a good deal.
As far as being unpaid you should ask for a raise with all the extra money they are trying to rake in...
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Registered User
Nbr post: 13
Register: 3/12/02
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Posted: 11/22/06, 11:43 AM
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And before you even try to argue they didn't outright gank the flags from eqplayers with absolutely no thought whatsoever, here's eqplayers listing:
Plane of Valor - Aerin`Dar has been slain.
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Xuzl
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Arlyxir
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Jiva
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Dresolik
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Rizlona
Plane of Valor - Access to Halls of Honor gained
Plane of Storms - Bastion of Thunder access gained
Plane of Storms - You have given Askr the Lost proof of your power
Halls of Honor - First Trial Completed
Halls of Honor - Second Trial Completed
Halls of Honor - Third Trial Completed
Kod'Taz - Completed the trial at the Temple of Singular Might
Kod'Taz - Completed the trial at the Temple of Twin Struggles
Kod'Taz - Completed the trial at the Temple of the Tri-Fates
Kod'Taz - Successfully translated the glyphs you found in the Temple of the Damned
Kod'Taz - Recovered a rare artifact from the Grand Summoner's goons in the Summoning Circle
Kod'Taz - Found the three clues from the three trial temples
Kod'Taz - Recovered the Artifact of Righteousness
Kod'Taz - Recovered the Artifact of Glorification
Kod'Taz - Recovered the Artifact of Transcendence
Kod'Taz - Constructed an Icon of the Altar
Riwwi - Saved Namosa
Riwwi - Acquired Shackle Keys
Abysmal Sea - Kyv Sample Gathered
Abysmal Sea - Ukun Sample Gathered
Abysmal Sea - Ratuk Sample Gathered
Abysmal Sea - Anuek Sample Gathered
Barindu - Access to Tipt and Vxed gained
Gates of Discord - You discovered the shortcut between Natimbi and KodTaz
Plane of Disease - Grummus Slain
Crypt of Decay - Access to Crypt of Bertoxxulous gained
Plane of Tranquility - Received quest to kill Bertoxxulous
Crypt of Decay - Defeated Bertoxxulous
Plane of Tranquility - Spoke to Milyk in Plane of Tranquility after slaying Bertoxxulous
Plane of Tranquility - Spoke to Adhora about helping Thelin
Plane of Nightmare - Thelin`s Dagger has been reconstructed
Plane of Nightmare - Terris Thule has been slain. Thelin has been released from her visions.
Plane of Nightmare - Spoke to Thelin after slaying Terris Thule
Plane of Tranquility - Spoke to Fahlia about entering the Plane of Torment
Plane of Torment - Keeper of Agony slain. Tylis has been removed from his agony.
Plane of Torment - Saryrn has been slain
Plane of Justice - Agreed to assist Mavuin with proving his innocence
Plane of Justice - Completed one of the Trials in the Plane of Justice. Mavuin has not yet been informed of the good news.
Plane of Justice - Completed one of the Trials in the Plane of Justice. Mavuin has been informed of the good news.
Planes of Power - Received Mithaniel's Cipher
Planes of Power - Received Mithaniel's History
Bastion of Thunder - Obtained History of Karana
Keyring - Plane of Innovation Factory Door
Plane of Innovation - Began Giwin's task of testing the Manaetic Behemoth
Planes of Power - The Cipher of the Divine Language has been completed
Plane of Innovation - Defeated the Manaetic Behemoth as proof for Giwin
Plane of Tactics - Killed Tallon Zek
Plane of Tactics - Killed Vallon Zek
Plane of Tactics - Killed Tallon and Vallon Zek
Plane of Tactics - Rallos Zek defeated
Tower of Solusek Ro - Solusek Ro defeated
Planes of Power - Spoke to Miak the Seared Soul in Plane of Tranquility
Planes of Power - History Translated - The fate of Zebuxoruk has been revealed
Planes of Power - Access to the elemental planes gained
Proving Grounds - Mastery of Hate trial completed
Planes of Power - Backflag - Elemental Planes access
Planes of Power - Backflag - Plane of Time access
Plane of Fire - Defeated Fennin Ro before having elemental planes access
Dragons of Norrath - First Norrath`s Keepers Mission Completed
Dragons of Norrath - Second Norrath`s Keepers Mission Completed
Dragons of Norrath - Third Norrath`s Keepers Mission Completed
Dragons of Norrath - Norrath`s Keepers - Defeated Emoroush
Dragons of Norrath - Norrath`s Keepers - Completed Trial of Perseverance
Dragons of Norrath - Norrath`s Keepers - Defeated Volkara
Depths of Darkhollow - Runed Gargoyle Shroud Claimed
Prophecy of Ro - You have recovered the broken tablet for Tak'Valnakar.
Prophecy of Ro - You have destroyed Prince Tak`Salir.
Prophecy of Ro - You have taken a warning to the Elddar Elves in the past.
Prophecy of Ro - You have recovered the Codex Artifice
Prophecy of Ro - You have recovered the egg of Tallongast the Discarded
Prophecy of Ro - You have recovered the Chime of Ayonae Ro.
Prophecy of Ro - Defeated the dragon Tsikut
Prophecy of Ro - Aided Oathmir the Outcast in his research.
ANd magelo:
Plane of Valor - Trial Complete
Plane of Valor - Aerin`Dar has been slain
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Xuzl
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Arlyxir
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Jiva
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Dresolik
Tower of Solusek Ro - Killed Rizlona
Plane of Valor - Access to Halls of Honor gained
Plane of Storms - Bastion of Thunder access gained
Plane of Storms - You have given Askr the Lost proof of your power
Halls of Honor - First Trial Completed
Halls of Honor - Second Trial Completed
Halls of Honor - Third Trial Completed
Kod'Taz - Completed the trial at the Temple of Singular Might
Kod'Taz - Completed the trial at the Temple of Twin Struggles
Kod'Taz - Completed the trial at the Temple of the Tri-Fates
Kod'Taz - Recovered the Sliver of the High Temple
Abysmal Sea - Kyv Sample Gathered
Abysmal Sea - Ukun Sample Gathered
Abysmal Sea - Ratuk Sample Gathered
Abysmal Sea - Anuek Sample Gathered
Riwwi - Saved Namosa
Riwwi - Acquired Shackle Keys
Barindu - Access to Tipt and Vxed gained
Gates of Discord - You discovered the shortcut between Natimbi and KodTaz
Plane of Disease - Grummus Slain
Crypt of Decay - Access to Crypt of Bertoxxulous gained
Plane of Tranquility - Received quest to kill Bertoxxulous
Crypt of Decay - Defeated Bertoxxulous
Plane of Tranquility - Spoke to Milyk in Plane of Tranquility after slaying Bertoxxulous
Plane of Tranquility - Spoke to Adhora about helping Thelin
Plane of Nightmare - Thelin`s Dagger has been reconstructed
Plane of Nightmare - Terris Thule has been slain. Thelin has been released from her visions
Plane of Nightmare - Spoke to Thelin after slaying Terris Thule
Plane of Tranquility - Spoke to Fahlia about entering the Plane of Torment
Plane of Torment - Keeper of Agony slain. Tylis has been removed from his agony
Plane of Torment - Saryrn has been slain
Plane of Justice - Agreed to assist Mavuin with proving his innocence
Plane of Justice - Completed one of the Trials in the Plane of Justice. Mavuin has not yet been informed of the good news
Plane of Justice - Completed one of the Trials in the Plane of Justice. Mavuin has been informed of the good news
Planes of Power - Received Mithaniel's Cipher
Planes of Power - Received Mithaniel's History
Bastion of Thunder - Obtained History of Karana
Keyring - Plane of Innovation Factory Door
Plane of Innovation - Began Giwin's task of testing the Manaetic Behemoth
Planes of Power - The Cipher of the Divine Language has been completed
Plane of Innovation - Defeated the Manaetic Behemoth as proof for Giwin
Plane of Tactics - Killed Tallon Zek
Plane of Tactics - Killed Vallon Zek
Plane of Tactics - Killed Tallon and Vallon Zek
Plane of Tactics - Rallos Zek defeated
Tower of Solusek Ro - Solusek Ro defeated
Planes of Power - Spoke to Miak the Seared Soul in Plane of Tranquility
Planes of Power - History Translated - The fate of Zebuxoruk has been revealed
Planes of Power - Access to Plane of Time granted
Proving Grounds - Mastery of Hate trial completed
Dragons of Norrath - First Norrath`s Keepers Mission Completed
Dragons of Norrath - Second Norrath`s Keepers Mission Completed
Dragons of Norrath - Third Norrath`s Keepers Mission Completed
Dragons of Norrath - Norrath`s Keepers - Defeated Emoroush
Dragons of Norrath - Norrath`s Keepers - Completed Trial of Perseverance
Dragons of Norrath - Norrath`s Keepers - Defeated Volkara
Depths of Darkhollow - Runed Gargoyle Shroud Claimed
Prophecy of Ro - You have recovered the broken tablet for Tak'Valnakar
Prophecy of Ro - You have destroyed Prince Tak`Salir
Prophecy of Ro - You have taken a warning to the Elddar Elves in the past
Prophecy of Ro - You have recovered the Codex Artifice
Prophecy of Ro - You have recovered the egg of Tallongast the Discarded
Prophecy of Ro - You have recovered the Chime of Ayonae Ro
Prophecy of Ro - Aided Oathmir the Outcast in his research
Hmm, Look a little familar there to me. They are even stupidily out of order just like eqplayers. We should pay 25.00 to have content from competition stolen? If you were gonna gank them you should have at least put them in an order that makes sense.
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Registered User
Nbr post: 13
Register: 3/12/02
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Posted: 11/22/06, 11:47 AM
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And lastly, keep in mind the people you are combating here are many of the same people who posted on sony's official boards. When people would post regarding eqplayers update issues we always responded the same.
Use Magelo.
We were loyal, Doubt you're gonna see as much of that now. Gratz
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Advisor
Nbr post: 449
Register: 5/6/01
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Posted: 11/22/06, 5:04 PM
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First I would like to remind to everyone here that this is a moderated forum and we are expecting participants to respect others users, others opinions and to stay civil. Picking on advisors or other users is not a behavior that we will tolerate and pursuing in such way will most certainly get you banned from the website. That is said, you are of course still welcome to post your opinions, suggestions, complains all you like as long as you follow basic rules of conduct.
Regarding specifically the volunteers, as the name implies they are freely helping the EQ community and Magelo for almost 5 years now, in that I have much respect and gratitude for them, all admins have. And the job there are doing on the website is only one side of the coin as they also spend much time reporting matters to us. So before bashing people that gave so much of their time in a very professional and friendly manner, ask yourself what did you do for the community.
Now looking at various posts that have been made Im really surprised by the content of some of them. For instance messages that implies that were trying to make as money as fast as we can while leaving the rest unattended. It cannot be farther from the truth. We have put countless hours of work improving the free service on the website. Creating and managing a profile has never been so much advanced and easy to use, both for free and Premium users. If we wanted to make money fast, we would have crippled the free service, put ads banners everywhere or even simpler, sold ourselves to some RMT actor. What is to understand here, is whatever one person choose the free or the Premium offer, the output will be mostly the same, expect for customization features. Our goal has always been to provide a good service to the EQ community and it will remain so.
Also, when comparing two products such as Magelo and EQPlayer for instance, it is necessary to compare them on the same terms. For instance, some people simply look at the raw price; $2.9 on EQPlayer, $2.1 on Magelo for the same features. However, on Magelo you get to synchronize 3 EQ accounts while on EQPlayer such liberty will cost you 3 times $2.9, were talking about $104 per year against the 25 here
Another thing to take into account is the final product you get. One could argue that a car is a car and that all cars will get you from point A to B. While this is true, not all cars are the same and the pleasure you retain from driving them is most certainly not. If you take an honest look at the result you get from a Magelo profile or from the website and the result you get on EQPlayer, you will find out that its not quite the same. Just take a look at two profiles from each system. One from a poster on this topic; http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/lite/inventory.vm?characterId=597000456206 and another from a Magelo user pulled from the ranking; http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1223383 . Even at the first glance its really obvious that their not equals in terms of customization potential, look & feel and the general impression you get from it. Moreover, if you scratch the surface and go deeper in terms of usability, of informations arrangement and pertinence they are quite not the same either. Stats breakdown, tooltip over items, breakdown on item details, modifiers view with items and augments contributions, etc. Our profile is just not a simple way dump a character on a web page but it has been designed bring some intelligence to it.
Also, Magelo is based on a community model. We are here to listen to requests and suggestions made by our users. We have proven that on the past and we will keep on doing it in the future, more than ever. Im a huge fan of Everquest and a large MMOG consumer, but I dont think that multi millions dollars companies are the best entities to handle a community. Their primary focus is and will always be the game itself, and it should stay that way. In that respect, I am personally very found of SIGIL (Vanguard) stand when they state that they wont even have official board (classes, strategies, and so on) on their website but will rather see the community handle those. Kudos.
Moreover, as you may have seen on the various news we made lately, we are really bringing many more changes on the website, improving the existing, developing new features, providing support and staying close to the community almost everyday. Well, all in all bringing a good service to players. And Im desperately sad to be the one to tell that unfortunately it cost a bit of money to do so and in order to match with our costs we had to set a price that would actually make us stay alive, which was definitely not the case with the old one and would have simple led us to a close.
But then again, no one is forcing on anything. If a user does not wish to subscribe for a reason or another, the free registration is meant for that. However if you wish to support or to keep on supporting us, you have our deepest gratitude and we will make everything possible to provide the best tools we can.
Lastly I will say that while some are unpleased by the changes we have made so far, we have still many positive feedbacks and our subscriptions rate is now better than it was since a long time. A Forum can be quite deceptive sometimes are we are inclined to think that messages in there (positives or not) are representing the majority of a community. The truth is that the vast majority is the silent one, whatever kind of offer they choose, they simply do not come and post because they do not wish it. In that case, only data logs can provide us a real feedback on the general temperature. And until now, we can definitely see that people are happy with the new Magelo.
Cheers.
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Advisor
Nbr post: 449
Register: 5/6/01
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Posted: 11/22/06, 5:14 PM
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Paradisiel,
I dont even know where to begin. You think Magelo is just a link and those not worth the cost. Fine, you can use the free service, it works pretty well too. I, as many users in this community find a profile to be a bit useful than a mere link. When I do look at one I find it interesting to see the item setup, the augments contributions, the modifiers list and so on. But then again if you dont use it, why are you even bothering?
Also, comparing our keys and flags by providing the two complete lists simply make the whole thread unnecessarily longer. The fact is that the keys/flags list where provided by users who dumped them from EQPlayer, and saying so, so we can have a more complete list. I agree that it is as inconvenient as it is on EQP and we already stated they we are rearranging them on an upcoming update. Please, read the Nov. 16 news. And honestly, saying that we stole content is risible at best. Those are public exposed public data. And for the record, as you perfectly know, Magelo existing way before Sony even thought to provide a similar service.
Please, pretty please, keep in mind that we are not fighting anyone here, stop making false assumption driven by your own frustrations. You wish to see some changes, fine, provide a constructive topic rather than bashing your keyboard, after all it will cost you probably more than 25 bucks to replace it.
Cheers.
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Registered User
Nbr post: 66
Register: 12/23/02
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Posted: 11/22/06, 8:01 PM
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Para is right, no matter how much you guys want to make it to be anything else for the majority of your customer base magelo is a link to show ppl their gear. Hell, I'll bet that the only reason 90% of the current premium users paid for them is for the ability to synch and nothing else. One feature is not worth what you are wanting to charge now.
Having the Key list be the same is common sense. Having the flag list be the same is just stupid. For people to be able to fill out their Magelo flags it means they have to have EQ players already which as has been pointed out offers all the same features that Magelo does if not as accurately at all times, due to the fact that EQplayers adds in buffs meaning there is no point to get the other. Your flag list is FAR FAR more inconvenient than EQP for the simple fact that EQP auto synch's the list I would not have to do any guessing at all for which flags I have and which I don't. I wouldn't have to wonder what this one means or what that one means. The only thing confusing about EQP's flag list is when you go to look at it and trying to figure out what any of them mean to find out what people have.
Also as far as it costing more than $25 to replace magelo, LOL have you not bothrered to read any posts aside from Para's? If you had then you would have known that it will cost LESS than the OLD Magelo cost to replace the features the majority of Magelo premium users utilize. It is very sad that a site that used to be so great and a fan favorite is now obsessed with money.
The ONLY people making any false assumptions and refusing to provide anything constructive to the topic have been the moderators and administrators of this site. You keep ignoring the problem here and refusing to accept or even apparently acknowledge any of the alternatives available and outlined in this thread. Instead you continue to be stuck up and ask for more money. The funny thing is that all this will do is get you less money in the end. Where a 3 tier feature/cost structure would result in an increase in revenue from those who wish to use the more costly features as opposed to everyone else who will never use them and won't pay 2x as much for no reason.
It is sad to see you all have fallen so far from what you were before this revamp. I guess eventually every good thing ends because those in charge get too big of a head and ignore what others tell them. Perhaps when the first sets of people stop renewing you will get the picture, sadly then it will likely be too late.
PS you are wrong about Magelo being around before the service was even thought of by SOE, it was considered to be part when the game launched but the logistics of how they wanted to do it were not feasible at that point in time and it was dismissed. More recently after re investigating the details and likely having saw how other games and sites handled profiles they made EQP. Magelo offered it to the player at large first, they didn't originate the idea or consider it before those creating and running the game.
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Registered User
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Register: 4/19/02
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Posted: 11/23/06, 12:07 AM
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Ive used this service for quite some time - started with the free and finally talked myself into the $12 a month and justified clicking a button every month was worth a buck. The hike for these added features leaves little to no interest from me to renew, how many leaderboards do we need? If SOE was smart (yea, I know) - they would incorperate all the great and wonderful things magelo has done (similar look and feel), charge a flat $1 a month to all EQ customers for all features and I think a site like this would be dead within a year. I only say this because it happens all the time in web based business - you leave a door open for another to sell a similar product cheaper to kill your biz - it might happen.
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Registered User
Nbr post: 6
Register: 5/24/02
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Posted: 11/23/06, 3:42 AM
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I find this entire thing very funny.
Magelo will live on, because as always its the people you really don't want around anyways that are always screaming about how horrible XYZ is and how they are no longer going to pay for it because of ABC injustice.
If the posts on EQlive are any indication all of you will be paying anyways, and posting about how much you hate it...
And some seriously LOLing @ the guy saying its to expensive because he doesn't use it anymore. rofl
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Registered User
Nbr post: 36
Register: 10/23/01
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Posted: 11/23/06, 8:32 AM
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Magelo is/was a good service and the old price for premium membership was well deserved, but be prepared to loose a lot of your current subscribers. I will be one of them because either it is a good service or not, its still only a profile system for a game (maybe more games in the future). I can live without the ability to auto update, i will just put it in manually. And so will lots others.
Just my opinion, no bad words or anything, can understand that you want to benefit in some way from the work, but you also need to understand, that people are not gonna pay increased amounts of money just to support a community.
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Katran <Magna Charta>
Bristlebroke aeh bane
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Advisor
Nbr post: 5271
Register: 11/14/01
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Posted: 11/23/06, 8:42 AM
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The ONLY people making any false assumptions and refusing to provide anything constructive to the topic have been the moderators and administrators of this site. You keep ignoring the problem here and refusing to accept or even apparently acknowledge any of the alternatives available and outlined in this thread. Instead you continue to be stuck up and ask for more money. The funny thing is that all this will do is get you less money in the end. Where a 3 tier feature/cost structure would result in an increase in revenue from those who wish to use the more costly features as opposed to everyone else who will never use them and won't pay 2x as much for no reason.
Actually, I suggested a multi-tier pricing scheme in a closed forum section already, which I more or less indicated in one of my above posts. Behind the scenes, things are being considered, but there are lots of things to get sorted out.
But in the end, Premiums are expiring and are being renewed all year long. There is no date in the month where they begin or expire ... so over time, the Admins can see where the revenue is headed. If Ishaar is correct, then revenue is increasing. In the end, while the Magelo crew does want to serve the community with a quality product, they are also not a philantropical institution either.
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Registered User
Nbr post: 91
Register: 10/31/01
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Posted: 11/23/06, 12:37 PM
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Do you people put as much effort into responding about gas price increases?
You would make that $25 up in a month.
So getting this straight, everyone complaining wants stuff for half the price or less.
I hope they do not. I can only assume people who are asking this amount of work for half the cost have no inclination of how much work went into this.
*They do not know how to create a database, tables, or know how to query it for the response they would want.
*They do not know how to create a site with a layout as this, with a forum like this, and the profile acting as nicely as that.
*They do not know the price of hardware and internet connectivity to keep the site fast.
*They do not know how to create the magelo update client to read data from EQ (and future games).
Now if YOU do know all this, then tell us why you do not create your own magelo for that magic price you are asking for.
If you do not know how to create a magelo site like this, then why do you think you know how much it should cost? Based on what you can pay? Demand microsoft to release windows vista for 30 bucks then while you are at it.
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Half-Elf Lyricist
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Registered User
Nbr post: 127
Register: 8/25/02
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Posted: 11/23/06, 5:54 PM
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The amount of R & D that went into this is not in question.
Dyfrin, you are missing the point. There are those of us that now find EQplayers a better value. There are many of us that only want to autosync one account and view the profile for it. I fall into this category. A tiered system would be ideal for the customers, making everyone happy. Those that want to pay more for rankings or spell searches can. Those that don't use them don't have to. What's so hard to understand about this?
Also, complaining about gas prices will get you absolutely no where, so I fail to see your point.
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Moklianne -Magelo
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Registered User
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Register: 3/8/05
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Posted: 11/23/06, 10:38 PM
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the point he was trying to make about the gas was where has complaining about paying $25 got you yet! no where ! and if you find eqplayers better value then go to eqplayers and stop complaining about it
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Registered User
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Register: 3/12/02
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Posted: 11/24/06, 4:01 AM
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Ishaar I "used" the premium service because I felt it was worth supporting them for offering something so cool.
Oh and eqplayers is .99 a month. so 11.88 a year. Yeah they have other crap which equals 2.99 a month but none of it is that big a deal. Spell database wooo Hi Lucy. A free service. Leaderboards are already available free.
Mods and others continued to spam protesters to the insane raise in cost telling them to use eqplayers, I was simply show hell when it comes to keys and flags, we already are just with a black background instead of a blue one.
Yes I know it did I was a member long before eqplayers existed. I also posted on sony's offical boards a number of times telling people to dump eqplayers and get magelo. Lots of people did. I have a feeling people will just move on through when reading posts regarding eqplayers where in the past they would have suggested magelo.
At 12.00 or 15.00 people felt they were showing support. At 25.00 they are paying.
And I was making constructive critism, just because you don't agree doesn't mean it isn't constructive.
I will say this though, grats. The attitude of the mods and admin mirrors sonys responses to things that a majority of the player base isn't happy with.
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